很多人说澳大利亚的TOP B-SCHOOL,和北美,欧洲的相差一大截,偶因为只是菜鸟所以不好说话(怕别人笑话),但从澳大利亚的顶级商学院的各方面情况分析,势力的确不如北美和欧洲的超级牛校.我觉得值得一提的是三所大学的B-SCHOOL: MBS(MELBOURNE BUSINESS SCHOOL - UNIVERSITY OF MELBOURNE), AGSM(AUSTRALIAN GRAUDATE SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT – UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY AND UNIVERSITY OF NEW SOUTH WALES), AND NGSM(NATIONAL GRADUATE SCHOOL OF MANGEMENT – AUSTRALIA NATINOAL UNIVERSITY).
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我的TOPIC是针对MBA而言,因为众所周知MBA是B-SCHOOL里面的拳头项目.因为B-SCHOOL里大部分的课程是针对PROFESSIONAL PROGRAM的方向设置的,所以讨论RESEARCH方向的问题的话需要的力气可是大很多的.偶能力有限,如可以以后再续.
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2 L* E; l8 i+ C. n& C首先是我将入学的大学UNIVERSITY OF MELBOURNE.作为她的FUTURE STUDENT,当然不会说自己学校的坏话了.但个人觉得,从MBS的入学条件(GMAT的平均成绩, 工作年限, 和工作职位的要求),和学院的师资力量,MBS只能做老二,不如AGSM.下面从具体的数据来分析.
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: F o( f" R- XFor entry into the full-time Melbourne MBA Program candidates must have:
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? completed a three or four year undergraduate degree at a recognized tertiary institution. The program does not require candidates to have studied commerce or business at undergraduate level. Professional qualifications are not an adequate substitute for an undergraduate degree.
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? a minimum of two years full-time post-graduation work experience. This experience need not have been at managerial level but must have been completed as at least two consecutive years of full-time employment.
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? a Graduate Management Admissions Test (GMAT) score. The School will not waive the GMAT requirement in any circumstance. For more information about the GMAT visit
www.gmac.com
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总的来说要求平平(其实和北美好多牛校写的都差不多,最重要的是录取人的条件怎么样)
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2004 Intake 150
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Countries where lived 30
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Average work experience 6 Years
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7 ~; X: q/ D) ^$ FPer Cent Female 25%
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Ratio of applications to offers 4:1
4 D1 A- U6 Y/ S$ `+ s/ L3 pAverage Class Size: 45
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Australia 40%
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North Asia 9%
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North America 12%
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再加上一大堆的PROFESSOR:
http://www.mbs.unimelb.edu.au/main.cfm?pid=344(懒得搞上来了,有兴趣自己看吧)感觉师资是可以的.
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说说排名:
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澳大利亚的2003年冠军(FINANCIAL TIMES),不过记得那年AGSM是没有参选的.
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AFR’S BOSS MAGAZINE的并列冠军
( [% {) t+ F9 t3 p% t2002-03 MBA CAREER GUIDE IN ASIA-PACIFIC 的冠军
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在2004年的FINANCIAL TIMES上排在70多名,输给NGSM(但排名前100中没有AGSM,不知道是没去选还是怎么了),但排名这个东东,年年在变,而且引用的数据各不相同,据说还有给钱买排名的事情.所以`````参考以下就行了.
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http://www.mbs.unimelb.edu.au/main.cfm?pid=212
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值得一提的事:MBS据说是一间控股学校,U OF M控制大约一半的股份,另一半有澳大利亚当地的商业组织持有.非常牛B的说.
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Grade Point Average
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Based on 4.0 GPA table. A minimum jof 2.0 is required.
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Minimum of 2 years' managerial/professional experience post degree.
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Referees must use the MBA reports.
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2 V# V4 F: C2 f( J* [( e6 mApplication fee
1 o4 {1 l6 m5 \* E" XA$100 (non-refundable)
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9 t: N- a5 B% k% \ t/ w CScholarship Application deadline - 22 October 2004 - (to be eligible for a scholarship you must be an offered applicant).
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Length of program
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大体和MBS的没两样,再看看其他的数据:
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GMAT - Graduate Management Admission Test
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? The GMAT provides information about your ability to meet the School's academic requirements.
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? The scores are valid for five years.
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? Register for the test at
www.mba.com. (Applicants should select AGSM code:0890).
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? Current test fees are US$225.
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English Language Requirement
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? An analytical writing score in the GMAT of 4.0+ is preferred.
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International English Language Testing System (IELTS)
0 K5 @, _0 b: v ]; dThe requirements are a minimum of 6.0 in each category with a minimum overall score of 6.5 Contact your nearest Australian Consulate for information on how to take the IELTS test. Some international students will need to provide IELTS as part of their student visa requirement. Please note that the student visa process will be delayed if you have not sat IELTS as part of your student visa requirement. It is the responsibility of international applicants to ensure that they are able to provide all the necessary documentation to DIMIA as early as possible in order to receive a student visa well before the orientation commencement date.
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www.immi.gov.au to establish the visa processing time-frames. Please allow extra time for visa processing delays.
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4 c" J) Z. R2 V" O, ^6 }3 FTOEFL 和 IELTS这两个东东都是死的了,没什么好讨论的,值得注意的是AGSM的GMAT平均分是澳大利亚最高的655(2004年),和MBS差了20分左右(其实上年MBS的GMAT平均分在640多).虽然有差别,但这微小的差距不能说明很大的差距.
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再说工作经历,最低要求大家都是两年.但因为AGSM网页上没有公布录取人的平均工作年限,所以不好做对比,但相信绝不比MBS差.有一点注意的事,AGSM非常注重对过往工作经验的阐述,并且要求做INTERVIEW.MBS 对ESSAY和CV没有硬性要求,但正常来说没有人不做的.但MBS对INTERVIEW没有硬性规定(从CD上收集的信息还据说不用!奇怪了```````).
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再到师资:
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AGSM的牛人真的是牛得可以:
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Professor of Finance
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Associate Dean, Faculty
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BEc(Hons) (UWA), MA PhD (Harvard)
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MA PhD (Cambridge)
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% P) i7 j% i1 ~Professor Murali Chandrashekaran
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Professor, Head of Marketing
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Ph.D., Marketing,
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Arizona State University
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B.Tech., Electrical Engineering,
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Indian Institute of Technology,
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Madras, India
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因为太多了所以有兴趣到:
http://www2.agsm.edu.au/agsm/web ... raliChandrashekaran查看吧.
4 G, a9 _( H" _+ t: m+ v1 @所以从师资比较,我想澳大利亚的B-SCHOOL没有一间和AGSM抗衡!
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? Forbes Magazine ranked AGSM 9th in the non-US schools segment – no other Asian business school was included in the rankings
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? Asia-Inc. magazine ranked AGSM’s full time MBA program as equal 6th amongst the prominent business schools in the Asian region.
' i3 F9 a6 R7 {' Z# t' b) G# g? The Australian Financial Review Boss Magazine ranked AGSM in the top band of leading business schools for the second consecutive year (full time and part time MBA).
4 {7 R# I( [+ e- {? Financial Times (UK) ranked AGSM the number one business school in Asia and Australia for the part-time MBA.
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? Financial Times (UK) ranked AGSM’s executive education as first in Asia and Australia.
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需要补充的一点是,商学院所在的城市于商学院有密切的联系.凡围绕在经济中心的学院,大部分都收到商业界的认可.这个道理相信不用多讨论,看看NEW YORK,CHICAGO的学校并分析其排名就知道答案了.相比之下,SYDNEY比MELBOURNE更具商业气息,感觉这也是MBS比不上AGSM的原因之一.
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在网上面可以取得的信息十分有限,连NGSM的网址都找不到,十分地郁闷.所以只能非常被动地分析:
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Prerequisites
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The Admissions Committee must be satisfied that an applicant has the:
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? ability to articulate complex ideas in the language of instruction;
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necessary to achieve acceptable results and the learning outcomes of the Program.
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? academic performance beyond the minimum requirement; and,
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? the results of relevant tests such as the Graduate Management Admissions Test.
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Maturity and experience: The usual criterion for assessing the applicant’s maturity and experiential background is that the applicant has worked for at least the equivalent of three years full-time since the completion of the equivalent of year twelve high school. Other factors that may be taken into account in assessing the applicant’s maturity and experiential background include:
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? whether the student has successfully lived and/or worked for a significant period during his or her adult life in a country other than that of his or her origin;
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7 S; s2 c/ ?0 o+ o( ^最低的工作年限NGSM是最长的(3年).相比之下,NGSM对申请人的ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE是审查得很严格.不过ANU也的确以她的科研著称.要求严谨可以理解.要求了GMAT但没有公布最低分级平均分,所以没法比较.但个人估计和MBS差不多.对工作经历的考察每间学校写的都差不多.至于INTERVIEW的方式,三间学校都没有也不可能公布出来,所以希望牛牛们多写心得一起分享.师资方面网站上也没有详细说明,哎```亏FINANCIAL TIMES说她是04年的澳大利亚冠军,失望!
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http://info.anu.edu.au/StudyAt/_ ... grams/_7810XMBA.asp
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0 u$ W1 G# R; C* o7 X最后了,个人感觉NGSM只能算老三,其中一个原因就是生错了地方.到了个鸟不拉屎的地方.关起门来搞研究的确能聚精会神(没有大城市的喧哗),但说到BUSINESS,觉得是恶性循环.连个在当地实习的机会都难找.
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本文仅是个人意见分析外加外部资料,全部资料取自2004年的最后一个晚上.所以WEB SITE上的资料会不断更新.
; y* }% V& L6 d, n9 f# p. w此外,本文章可能让部分准MBAer们大为不爽.
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, U9 y/ ]1 s" s0 \0 h3 @4 U- ?你们不爽就不爽吧!关我屁事!
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接下来是MONASH UNIVERSITY的MBA.我申请了这个学校的一个商科专业,所以手头上有一点资料(大部分是PAPER的,所以只能用手TYPE上来).
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看看入学要求:
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至少两年的工作经验,没有硬性规定GMAT成绩,但建议申请人提供(写在04年申请表的最后面,寒````没注意都看不见).2005年的学费是22400AUD,有三月和五月两次入学.所有方向的MBA PROGRAM都在CAUFILED校区(据说CAULFIED校区是MONASH师资最差的校区,但只是网上面的信息).IELTS6.5并且四个部分不低于6分;TOEFL580+TWE5.0.
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MBA core units do not exceed 50 students, thereby facilitating maximum interaction between students and lecturers. Each core unit necessitates 39 face-to-face contact hours over the course of a semester, plus approximately nine hours of independent study per week.
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( F9 \3 h% d; C* E0 `从我的观点看,如果MBA的入学要求里没有硬性规定要GMAT的,自然不是顶级的MBA PROGRAM.可能好多人会强烈的驳斥我GMAT不是申请MBA的唯一因素.的确ADMISSION COMMITTEE考察的项目有很多,GAMT只是其中之一.但是```从全球的认可度看来,北美,欧洲,澳大利亚甚至中国(包括香港)的优秀商学院都把GMAT作为入学硬性规定之一,即使有些牛校没有定下最低分数线.由此可见它的重要性.
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再说说排名吧:
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04年的FIANACIAL TIME的前一百名没有影子.BUSINESS WEEK上有提到过这间学院,但只是介绍性质. 美国以外的10强商学院再加14加的候选商学院上都没有影子(澳大利亚的大学一间都没有).虽然美国的MBA是世界一流,但BUSINESSWEEK感觉也太偏美国的学校了!有兴趣看看BUSINESSWEEK的介绍可以到:
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数据用完了说说申请时候得到的一点讯息:申请的时候曾走访了两间中介,一间是MELBOURNE和MONASH的海外代表,另一间只是MONASH的海外代表.两间给我的讯息是虽然名气MONASH不如MELBOURNE但MONASH的商科总体水平不错.(可能也是老王卖瓜的那种)另外有位在澳大利亚的朋友说MONASH在MELBOURNE当地人的眼中比U OF M更好!?(那位朋友是位40岁出头的阿姨).有点半信半疑的``````
